《旅途脚印》| 交谈 ——索达吉堪布

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交谈 | Nice Chatting
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- u% M4 b" d# ~闽南佛学院后面有一座小山，其高度虽不能与雪域的名山相提并论，但于此地也可算是登
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: J* ?3 A0 s  z/ F# b' h高望远之绝佳胜地，当地人称之为五老山。登上山巅，整个厦门市区一览无余。令人顿生

  n4 m- z9 a& Z7 _& O“登五老而小闽”之感。
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  c& Y; P' O) N7 p5 aA small hill called Wu Lau Mountain by the locals rises behind Minnan Buddhist Academy.
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+ I. F1 w' y8 K( p  BThough lacking the imposing height of those in the Tibetan snow land, it nonetheless is

( z0 ^# W8 a7 E7 qconsidered a great local spot to hike in order to enjoy a panoramic view of the area surrounding

it. Once at the peak and seeing the whole of Xiamen city, it’s easy to feel that “up on the Wu Lau,

1 e4 D, _" N8 y' nthe Min Province is shrunken.”
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山上树林繁茂、绿草丛生、鸟儿啁啾、春虫呢喃，真乃一修行之好去处。
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, t/ ]! d4 C0 rThis hill is lush with dense trees, green with grass, and vibrant with the twittering of birds as well

% T& h4 w0 h: h4 ^5 I, y* j" Ias the chirping of insects. It’s an excellent place to do spiritual practice.
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半山腰有一“那兰若处”，为当地人时常拜望之胜地。我与济群法师的交谈处就选择于此
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) l/ D% g: v% O$ S, x。济群法师培养了大批僧才，其培养的僧尼与知识分子已遍布各地。为广弘佛法所作之努
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, x, f, x: [/ ]& n9 R6 a# gHalfway to the mountaintop is the Arinya Place, a sanctuary visited often by local residents. It is

also where Dharma Teacher Jiqun and I have planned to meet and chat with each other. Dharma

1 E. o3 B" A: c0 VTeacher Jiqun has long endeavored in spreading the Buddhadharma and is well-respected in

! |) B5 Z% o+ u3 N  BBuddhist circles for his accomplishment. He has trained many monks, nuns, and lay professionals

1 N6 r7 |5 [8 [: N0 I' o# B8 ]who are now carrying out Dharma activities in many places. It’s a great pleasure to have a chance
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一边品着闽南人最喜欢的“功夫茶”，一边交流心得。我谈到了藏地依止上师的方式、传
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: m) x+ k% y9 z* K" S& T统以及前辈大德依止上师的感人事迹。感人之处，不免令其赞叹不已。我又谈到了闻思修

行不可偏废的重要意义。他感慨道，在五浊兴盛之今世，通过闻思修行建立正知正见，消

除烦恼非常重要。他的观点令我有“伯牙子期”之感。的确，佛法的真正目的是为了消除

烦恼，若不能将佛法运用于实际生活，融入自己的相续，其他一切形象上的建道场、造佛
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像都是空谈。只可惜人们往往不明其理，真是令人叹息。
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Sipping Kung Fu tea, the chosen beverage of Min people, we exchanged our thoughts and
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% T, U6 G% y+ Y( u; c1 Fexperiences. I mentioned the traditions of Tibetan Buddhism, its way of following spiritual
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3 c: C  Z. \; k5 Iteachers, and the many heart-rending stories of past great masters in this regard. We paused to

' C8 S! k, p5 G8 l2 ^) ladmire some of the most inspiring ones. I also stated the central role of listening to, pondering,
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and meditation on the teachings; none of them can be spared. He agreed with a sigh that, indeed

. ?# G$ H8 {8 _4 E) Z. D+ Y9 ]in this time of five degenerations, it’s crucial for people to work on these three wisdom tools in
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  w7 W! [6 h& Z7 Xorder to establish the right view and uproot afflictive emotions. His words lent me the feeling

! @8 ]' {* b. y# Kakin to Boya meeting his soul mate Ziqi. Certainly, the real purpose of Buddhism is to empower

people to overcome confused emotions. Unless Buddha’s teachings are infused into one’s own
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minds and applied to daily activities, all other feats such as building temples and erecting statues

5 e9 e  S3 u' g; kare but superficial and meaningless. Regrettably, very few people grasp this truth. It‘s a shame!
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- k6 @4 e$ V0 L  D5 ]  N不知不觉，日已偏西。我不得不起身告辞，但愿此生我们还能有缘再次促膝长谈。只怕世

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Without us noticing it, the sun was already setting in the west. It’s time for me to take leave and
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to wish for another heart-to- heart talk while we are still around. But with impermanence

! I  S, @- n1 I5 M0 j1 {pervading all places, I am afraid this wish may not come true!
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; {& Y1 @9 u& Z' U壬午年三月十四日 　
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2002年4月26日

) o  j4 [6 k' I14th of March, Year of RenWu
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April 26, 2002
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