《旅途脚印》| 交谈 ——索达吉堪布

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交谈 | Nice Chatting
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闽南佛学院后面有一座小山，其高度虽不能与雪域的名山相提并论，但于此地也可算是登
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5 O# w" v$ e1 o; E, Y1 f4 r# e+ `- |6 L高望远之绝佳胜地，当地人称之为五老山。登上山巅，整个厦门市区一览无余。令人顿生

“登五老而小闽”之感。
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A small hill called Wu Lau Mountain by the locals rises behind Minnan Buddhist Academy.

0 I" g) R( |$ V* Q0 v" e; BThough lacking the imposing height of those in the Tibetan snow land, it nonetheless is

- M, a5 Z: X  C8 e1 V- |/ ^" Nconsidered a great local spot to hike in order to enjoy a panoramic view of the area surrounding

it. Once at the peak and seeing the whole of Xiamen city, it’s easy to feel that “up on the Wu Lau,
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1 p4 ^9 t% t4 a  x, \% ^+ pthe Min Province is shrunken.”
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" w$ A. \5 |/ G5 G0 B2 A山上树林繁茂、绿草丛生、鸟儿啁啾、春虫呢喃，真乃一修行之好去处。

9 v- v! z6 Y6 o5 q  ]( u& [: {This hill is lush with dense trees, green with grass, and vibrant with the twittering of birds as well
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  e. Z( s, K( K, kas the chirping of insects. It’s an excellent place to do spiritual practice.
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半山腰有一“那兰若处”，为当地人时常拜望之胜地。我与济群法师的交谈处就选择于此

# E( i' e7 w8 {/ a3 a+ M。济群法师培养了大批僧才，其培养的僧尼与知识分子已遍布各地。为广弘佛法所作之努

力，也受到同道的认同。与之交谈，深感惬意。

9 G; @4 c9 C' w4 IHalfway to the mountaintop is the Arinya Place, a sanctuary visited often by local residents. It is

also where Dharma Teacher Jiqun and I have planned to meet and chat with each other. Dharma

Teacher Jiqun has long endeavored in spreading the Buddhadharma and is well-respected in
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8 H: v) b$ _7 S* pBuddhist circles for his accomplishment. He has trained many monks, nuns, and lay professionals

' P. P. c* u8 e, A+ b; O8 Q, vwho are now carrying out Dharma activities in many places. It’s a great pleasure to have a chance

to talk with him.

* z: u) M9 V/ b# w一边品着闽南人最喜欢的“功夫茶”，一边交流心得。我谈到了藏地依止上师的方式、传

统以及前辈大德依止上师的感人事迹。感人之处，不免令其赞叹不已。我又谈到了闻思修
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行不可偏废的重要意义。他感慨道，在五浊兴盛之今世，通过闻思修行建立正知正见，消

除烦恼非常重要。他的观点令我有“伯牙子期”之感。的确，佛法的真正目的是为了消除
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/ K5 `5 P6 h1 G+ Q烦恼，若不能将佛法运用于实际生活，融入自己的相续，其他一切形象上的建道场、造佛
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6 P! e6 r+ d% [4 K2 a像都是空谈。只可惜人们往往不明其理，真是令人叹息。

6 P" g8 F* w" W2 {8 d/ s1 h  ?Sipping Kung Fu tea, the chosen beverage of Min people, we exchanged our thoughts and
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" V1 \2 K) I3 f4 }( N! J+ P* dexperiences. I mentioned the traditions of Tibetan Buddhism, its way of following spiritual

0 o, o1 _- b9 f+ c, s+ tteachers, and the many heart-rending stories of past great masters in this regard. We paused to

! u/ G8 A4 ]7 ~' c( ]admire some of the most inspiring ones. I also stated the central role of listening to, pondering,
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3 c6 d% g3 U  N/ v! nand meditation on the teachings; none of them can be spared. He agreed with a sigh that, indeed

3 b% m  b2 ?5 gin this time of five degenerations, it’s crucial for people to work on these three wisdom tools in

) A: h* b( x1 ~6 k* |8 _5 [) L6 rorder to establish the right view and uproot afflictive emotions. His words lent me the feeling
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$ e# i4 E5 y4 D( i; Aakin to Boya meeting his soul mate Ziqi. Certainly, the real purpose of Buddhism is to empower

7 i4 a; u! y+ T8 a* Ypeople to overcome confused emotions. Unless Buddha’s teachings are infused into one’s own
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minds and applied to daily activities, all other feats such as building temples and erecting statues

are but superficial and meaningless. Regrettably, very few people grasp this truth. It‘s a shame!

  M' \& |: B* J! ^4 Q不知不觉，日已偏西。我不得不起身告辞，但愿此生我们还能有缘再次促膝长谈。只怕世

事无常，此愿难遂了！

' _) R3 R; m- K. O* q. G1 GWithout us noticing it, the sun was already setting in the west. It’s time for me to take leave and

: P2 L0 Y2 G& f7 v  ]! _* }; hto wish for another heart-to- heart talk while we are still around. But with impermanence
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pervading all places, I am afraid this wish may not come true!

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; h/ t/ R/ b! A: V& M14th of March, Year of RenWu
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April 26, 2002

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